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	<title>Comments on: Tipping: On The Take-Out</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.studentscrooge.com/2008/10/30/tipping-on-the-take-out/comment-page-1/#comment-7736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a restaurant that offers take-out. The girls that work the take-out station are earning at least the federal minimum wage. They are not relying on tips as their main source of income. I, and my fellow waiters and waitresses earn less than three dollars an hour (which, after taxes, often leads to a paycheck of zero dollars) and rely solely on my tips for my income. I&#039;m not saying my take-out girls don&#039;t work hard, or that they are undeserving of tips, but once they&#039;re on the clock, they&#039;re getting paid, with or without tips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a restaurant that offers take-out. The girls that work the take-out station are earning at least the federal minimum wage. They are not relying on tips as their main source of income. I, and my fellow waiters and waitresses earn less than three dollars an hour (which, after taxes, often leads to a paycheck of zero dollars) and rely solely on my tips for my income. I&#8217;m not saying my take-out girls don&#8217;t work hard, or that they are undeserving of tips, but once they&#8217;re on the clock, they&#8217;re getting paid, with or without tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://www.studentscrooge.com/2008/10/30/tipping-on-the-take-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5776</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard:
I agree, tipping is supposed to provide accountability and often times does, especially in he better restaurants. It still bothers me when the restaurant says for parties of 8 or more a tip of 18% is added to the bill. Why?  Do they think we won&#039;t tip?  All that does is allows the water to provide bad service.  You mentioned speak to the manager, ABSOLUTELY for good or bad service.  The manager should be walking around the dinning room checking anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:<br />
I agree, tipping is supposed to provide accountability and often times does, especially in he better restaurants. It still bothers me when the restaurant says for parties of 8 or more a tip of 18% is added to the bill. Why?  Do they think we won&#8217;t tip?  All that does is allows the water to provide bad service.  You mentioned speak to the manager, ABSOLUTELY for good or bad service.  The manager should be walking around the dinning room checking anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.studentscrooge.com/2008/10/30/tipping-on-the-take-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5701</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom -- I think you highlighted part of my problem with the whole system ... tipping is supposed to be a way to keep accountability, but its been turned in to a system that isn&#039;t really fair to servers. Plus, with all of the variability involved with tipping, it just doesn&#039;t really seem like a good system to me.

And as to your follow-up question, I&#039;d probably take a third option: I&#039;d ask to speak with the manager. They usually go out of their way to try to make things right, and its likely a far more effective way of correcting poor performance than a low tip. What would you do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom &#8212; I think you highlighted part of my problem with the whole system &#8230; tipping is supposed to be a way to keep accountability, but its been turned in to a system that isn&#8217;t really fair to servers. Plus, with all of the variability involved with tipping, it just doesn&#8217;t really seem like a good system to me.</p>
<p>And as to your follow-up question, I&#8217;d probably take a third option: I&#8217;d ask to speak with the manager. They usually go out of their way to try to make things right, and its likely a far more effective way of correcting poor performance than a low tip. What would you do?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://www.studentscrooge.com/2008/10/30/tipping-on-the-take-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5696</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tips should only be offered for personal service.  Tipping on a take out order is crazy.  Of course I have offended all of the servers who have had to get orders ready for take out customers, but in truth the restaurant is taking advantage of you by making you work for less than minimum wage. 

A tip should only be given for good or superior personal service period.  The restaurant business uses the tipping procedure because it ensures good service from the waiters.  There is no way the management can watch every waiter to see that the plates are picked up etc.  They leave it to the customer to decide.  There is nothing wrong with leaving a zero tip for poor service and a 20% tip for great service.  I have done both and will continue to do so.  Tipping for less than service with a complete meal such at a buffet is most ridiculous, perhaps a very small tip but nowhere near a percentage of the bill.  The line that waiters have used on me in the past is asking &quot;Do you want your change?&quot; I hate that, they are asking if the rest is the tip.  How crude can they be.  I have returned to restaurants that have trained they staff to ask that question and have paid the bill with almost exact change. Then when they ask I just say no you can keep it.  They end getting a tip of less than a dollar!

Question:  Should I leave a penny tip when the service is poor or just no tip at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tips should only be offered for personal service.  Tipping on a take out order is crazy.  Of course I have offended all of the servers who have had to get orders ready for take out customers, but in truth the restaurant is taking advantage of you by making you work for less than minimum wage. </p>
<p>A tip should only be given for good or superior personal service period.  The restaurant business uses the tipping procedure because it ensures good service from the waiters.  There is no way the management can watch every waiter to see that the plates are picked up etc.  They leave it to the customer to decide.  There is nothing wrong with leaving a zero tip for poor service and a 20% tip for great service.  I have done both and will continue to do so.  Tipping for less than service with a complete meal such at a buffet is most ridiculous, perhaps a very small tip but nowhere near a percentage of the bill.  The line that waiters have used on me in the past is asking &#8220;Do you want your change?&#8221; I hate that, they are asking if the rest is the tip.  How crude can they be.  I have returned to restaurants that have trained they staff to ask that question and have paid the bill with almost exact change. Then when they ask I just say no you can keep it.  They end getting a tip of less than a dollar!</p>
<p>Question:  Should I leave a penny tip when the service is poor or just no tip at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.studentscrooge.com/2008/10/30/tipping-on-the-take-out/comment-page-1/#comment-5649</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@andrew -- you make a good point -- its easy to forget all the work that goes on behind the scenes. Do you think the same tip is appropriate for sitdown servers as takeout servers? 

Thanks for dropping by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andrew &#8212; you make a good point &#8212; its easy to forget all the work that goes on behind the scenes. Do you think the same tip is appropriate for sitdown servers as takeout servers? </p>
<p>Thanks for dropping by!</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this post is too old now for this comment to be read, but....
@ Andy...   

When I serve you, while you&#039;re sitting down at a table: I greet you, take your order, ring your order into the computer system, check on your order, take it from the cooks, bring it to you, and eventually take payment from you.

When you call and place an order to be picked up: I greet you on the phone, take your order, ring your order into the computer system, check on your order, take it from the cooks, package it to go, bring it to you, and take payment from you. 

There are times when our to-go only people are paid minimum wage, and there are times when a server, also in charge of his or her tables is being paid ~$3/hour and rely just as much on take out tips as they do on the tips from his or her customers. 

Tip on take out. Tip on delivery. And 15% leaves us cursing at you under our breath as you walk out. A real tip is 20%+ and good servers get it consistently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this post is too old now for this comment to be read, but&#8230;.<br />
@ Andy&#8230;   </p>
<p>When I serve you, while you&#8217;re sitting down at a table: I greet you, take your order, ring your order into the computer system, check on your order, take it from the cooks, bring it to you, and eventually take payment from you.</p>
<p>When you call and place an order to be picked up: I greet you on the phone, take your order, ring your order into the computer system, check on your order, take it from the cooks, package it to go, bring it to you, and take payment from you. </p>
<p>There are times when our to-go only people are paid minimum wage, and there are times when a server, also in charge of his or her tables is being paid ~$3/hour and rely just as much on take out tips as they do on the tips from his or her customers. </p>
<p>Tip on take out. Tip on delivery. And 15% leaves us cursing at you under our breath as you walk out. A real tip is 20%+ and good servers get it consistently.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookmarked: Carnivals and Links - Nov 20 &#124; Student Scrooge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookmarked: Carnivals and Links - Nov 20 &#124; Student Scrooge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Sun&#8217;s Financial Diary hosted the 177th Carnival of Personal Finance, which included my post on tipping for take-out food. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.studentscrooge.com/2008/10/30/tipping-on-the-take-out/comment-page-1/#comment-2681</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>time to play catch up...

@budgets -- Ha! I like your system, although I worry that you may find yourself tipping yourself into oblivion one day. As an aside, 20% is my standard amount for the same reason -- its just so easy to calculate (and I was once really good at math!)

@Andy -- I tend to agree, but its hard to make the distinction between kitchen staff and counter-waiter

@Anna -- I agree that seems like a tipping situation, but I am at as big of a loss as you as to how much. It doesn&#039;t seem &quot;appropriate&quot; to go under the 15% range these days, but you&#039;re right that they didn&#039;t really do much. I probably just would have left a few dollars...

@Karla -- Oh don&#039;t worry, I learned my lesson. I&#039;m much better about the -0- now.

@Christine -- Fascinating -- more work from your point of view? I&#039;ll have to keep that in mind. Appreciate your perspective!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>time to play catch up&#8230;</p>
<p>@budgets &#8212; Ha! I like your system, although I worry that you may find yourself tipping yourself into oblivion one day. As an aside, 20% is my standard amount for the same reason &#8212; its just so easy to calculate (and I was once really good at math!)</p>
<p>@Andy &#8212; I tend to agree, but its hard to make the distinction between kitchen staff and counter-waiter</p>
<p>@Anna &#8212; I agree that seems like a tipping situation, but I am at as big of a loss as you as to how much. It doesn&#8217;t seem &#8220;appropriate&#8221; to go under the 15% range these days, but you&#8217;re right that they didn&#8217;t really do much. I probably just would have left a few dollars&#8230;</p>
<p>@Karla &#8212; Oh don&#8217;t worry, I learned my lesson. I&#8217;m much better about the -0- now.</p>
<p>@Christine &#8212; Fascinating &#8212; more work from your point of view? I&#8217;ll have to keep that in mind. Appreciate your perspective!</p>
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		<title>By: Weekend Roundup- The Election is Over Edition &#124; Think Your Way to Wealth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekend Roundup- The Election is Over Edition &#124; Think Your Way to Wealth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work as a bartender at a sit-down Italian restaurant and as such, was primarly responsible for take-out orders. From my perspective, it was *a lot* more work to do a take-out order than for me to serve food to someone at the bar. I&#039;d say that, on average, 20% of take-out orders tip. I&#039;d never expect 20% but throwing in a couple dollars for my time was always appreciated.

That said, here my rule for when to tip on take-out orders: 
* No need to tip &#039;salaried&#039; individuals (managers, kitchen staff, hostess) because they make a flat rate regardless
* Tip $1-$5 (generally 10%) on to-go orders if a server or bartender takes your order. Your order is taking away from their ability to make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work as a bartender at a sit-down Italian restaurant and as such, was primarly responsible for take-out orders. From my perspective, it was *a lot* more work to do a take-out order than for me to serve food to someone at the bar. I&#8217;d say that, on average, 20% of take-out orders tip. I&#8217;d never expect 20% but throwing in a couple dollars for my time was always appreciated.</p>
<p>That said, here my rule for when to tip on take-out orders:<br />
* No need to tip &#8217;salaried&#8217; individuals (managers, kitchen staff, hostess) because they make a flat rate regardless<br />
* Tip $1-$5 (generally 10%) on to-go orders if a server or bartender takes your order. Your order is taking away from their ability to make money.</p>
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